Monday, December 05, 2005

Botham Vs Flintoff

Sir Garry Sobers has asserted that Andrew Flintoff is now a greater all-rounder than Ian Botham was. Debates of this kind are interesting but ultimately inconclusive, as greatness is hard to quantify. Comparisons are especially difficult between an all-rounder who is still playing and a cricketer who retired over 10 years ago.

Botham is the yardstick by which all subsequent English all-rounders have been measured. Unrealistic expectations have weighed down players such as Chris Lewis, Dominic Cork and Darren Gough, all of whom never achieved the all-rounder’s double of 100 wickets and 1,000 runs in Test matches, an acid test for any budding all-rounder. Flintoff appeared to avoid this millstone round his neck by having a modest start to his career, but the fact that a man of Sobers’ stature can make such a comment is an indication of what Flintoff has achieved in the last few years.


Sobers did not elaborate on his assessment but a comparison of both players at the same point in their careers would be a reasonable starting point.

Player

Matches

Runs

Average

Wickets

Average

Botham

55

3008

37.14

251

23.69

Flintoff

55

2804

32.98

162

31.02



Botham played his 55th match against Australia in Perth in November 1982. His career up to that point had been one of almost continuous success; he achieved the “double” in 21 Tests and the “double double” (200 wickets and 2,000 runs) in only 42 matches. It is hardly surprising that Botham outshines Flintoff at this stage, especially as Flintoff struggled in his early matches. Botham on the other hand played his early games against teams emasculated by the absence of the Packer rebels.

When Botham was playing it appeared that every national team had an all-rounder. India had Kapil Dev, Pakistan had Imran Khan and New Zealand had Richard Hadlee. However, a quick glance at the current statistics suggests that the rigours imposed on today’s cricketers makes it more difficult for all-rounders to sustain world-class performances in both disciplines. In fact the only players currently still playing cricket who have achieved the Test “double” are: Shane Warne, Shaun Pollock, Jacques Kallis, Daniel Vettori, Anil Kumble, Chaminder Vaas, Heath Streak, Andrew Flintoff and Ashley Giles(!). From this list only Shaun Pollock and Jacques Kallis are genuine all-rounders. This puts the greatness of Flintoff into perspective.

Sobers’ comments are premature; Flintoff is in the same church but not yet the same pew as Botham, who is still the greatest all-rounder that this country has ever produced. However, Botham’s performances declined from the mid 80s onward and if Flintoff can sustain his outstanding form then he can justify Sobers’ praise.

Test no.

Botham's Batting Av.

Flintoff's Batting Av.

Botham's Bowling Av.

Flintoff's Bowling Av.

Botham's Cumulative Runs

Flintoff's Cumulative Runs

Botham's Cumulative Wickets

Flintoff's Cumulative Wickets

1

25.00

17.00

26.80

68.00

25

17

5

1

2

12.50

5.67

20.20

112.00

25

17

10

1

3

12.75

18.20

17.29

157.00

51

91

14

1

4

36.80

20.71

16.05

53.00

184

145

22

4

5

39.50

18.75

19.00

47.67

237

150

27

6

6

48.14

19.11

21.86

50.33

337

172

28

6

7

55.63

17.30

18.42

50.67

445

173

36

6

8

49.89

17.08

18.05

56.17

449

205

40

6

9

47.10

16.64

18.77

55.00

471

233

44

7

10

43.55

15.94

17.34

66.43

479

255

53

7

11

41.67

14.39

16.55

58.22

500

259

64

9

12

42.23

13.63

17.06

44.15

549

259

70

13

13

39.33

18.86

18.49

46.47

590

396

70

15

14

36.59

20.57

18.46

45.63

622

473

76

16

15

36.16

20.08

19.10

40.32

687

502

78

22

16

36.57

19.77

18.90

41.92

768

514

83

24

17

35.95

20.11

18.69

40.62

791

543

87

26

18

35.83

19.43

18.96

42.82

824

544

94

28

19

35.83

20.33

18.97

43.60

860

610

100

30

20

39.88

20.74

19.36

46.50

997

643

100

32

21

38.33

19.48

19.61

47.15

1035

643

107

33

22

36.83

20.09

19.27

50.58

1068

683

118

33

23

35.32

23.22

19.23

52.47

1095

836

122

34

24

38.19

22.79

19.60

52.14

1222

866

126

37

25

40.48

24.28

18.53

49.93

1336

971

139

41

26

39.91

26.00

18.69

49.95

1397

1066

143

43

27

39.03

24.81

19.30

47.28

1405

1067

146

47

28

38.11

24.49

19.34

46.44

1448

1102

149

50

29

36.53

25.72

19.40

45.56

1461

1209

151

52

30

35.83

26.15

19.47

45.55

1505

1255

152

53

31

35.00

26.08

20.21

45.07

1505

1278

153

55

32

33.80

25.86

20.68

41.24

1521

1293

155

62

33

32.94

27.63

20.89

42.32

1548

1409

162

63

34

32.27

28.31

21.15

41.95

1549

1472

166

66

35

31.56

29.55

21.33

41.29

1578

1566

168

69

36

31.00

29.55

21.36

40.51

1612

1625

171

73

37

29.85

29.63

21.45

38.73

1612

1689

174

77

38

32.93

31.80

21.23

38.65

1811

1876

181

79

39

32.28

32.33

20.95

37.15

1840

1940

187

85

40

33.19

32.98

20.99

37.40

1958

2012

192

87

41

32.41

33.02

21.21

36.66

1977

2047

202

92

42

31.95

32.92

20.93

36.60

2013

2107

211

95

43

32.31

32.41

21.38

35.66

2068

2139

213

101

44

32.83

31.59

21.75

35.94

2134

2148

215

104

45

33.18

32.45

21.96

34.80

2223

2239

217

110

46

33.46

32.45

22.37

33.86

2275

2239

218

115

47

35.03

32.45

22.58

33.33

2417

2239

219

119

48

34.71

31.58

22.56

33.65

2430

2242

222

123

49

35.17

32.64

22.62

32.85

2497

2383

228

130

50

36.46

32.44

22.90

32.64

2625

2433

229

135

51

38.81

33.26

23.07

32.92

2833

2561

231

138

52

37.80

33.43

23.14

32.31

2835

2641

237

143

53

38.12

33.22

23.60

31.52

2935

2691

240

150

54

37.92

33.10

23.32

30.91

2996

2747

249

158

55

37.14

32.99

23.69

31.02

3008

2804

251

162

56

36.90

32.37

24.09

31.52

3063

2816

254

163

57

37.13

24.24

3156

259

58

37.11

24.53

3229

262

59

36.70

24.48

3266

267

60

36.34

24.41

3307

271

61

36.01

24.72

3349

271

62

35.98

24.53

3418

276

63

36.58

24.82

3548

277

64

37.61

24.99

3686

283

65

37.04

25.21

3704

284

66

37.37

25.46

3774

284

67

36.95

25.59

3806

286

68

37.22

25.95

3908

287

69

37.56

25.99

4019

295

70

37.41

26.14

4078

295

71

36.80

26.30

4085

297

72

36.75

26.19

4153

305

73

36.48

26.25

4159

312

74

36.47

26.28

4231

319

75

36.62

26.20

4321

326

76

36.63

26.29

4359

329

77

36.49

26.36

4379

333

78

36.34

26.52

4397

337

79

36.14

26.37

4409

343

80

35.91

26.41

4453

345

81

35.37

26.53

4456

346

82

35.09

26.69

4491

347

83

35.03

26.58

4554

352

84

34.67

27.06

4577

354

85

35.12

27.07

4636

357

86

35.89

27.10

4774

360

87

35.41

27.26

4780

361

88

35.36

27.05

4809

366

89

34.96

27.21

4825

366

90

35.06

27.22

4873

367

91

34.85

27.22

4879

367

92

34.71

27.22

4929

367

93

34.53

27.50

4972

370

94

34.88

27.86

5057

373

95

34.95

27.99

5103

374

96

34.51

28.01

5107

376

97

34.36

28.28

5119

376

98

34.36

28.23

5154

379

99

34.28

28.27

5176

380

100

33.93

28.24

5192

383

101

33.93

28.38

5192

383

102

33.55

28.40

5200

383






2 Comments:

Blogger Unknown said...

Welcome back Gruff! I agree statistical analysis is only a starting point, both players have turned matches England's way, but I doubt even Bill Frindall could provide meaningful figures on those feats.

9:34 pm  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hi Reem,

Flintoff is getting better and Botham had arguably already peaked by his 56th Test. However, Flintoff's bowling (statistically speaking) is clearly less impressive than Botham's. Flintoff has never taken 10 wickets in a match, while Botham had achieved this 4 times at this stage in his career. Flintoff has only taken 5 wickets in an innings twice, compared to 20 times for Botham by his 56th Test.

But to prove your point, in his final 46 Tests Botham never took 10 wickets in match again and took 5 wickets in an innings only 8 more times.

9:46 pm  

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